Is Zen-involves-meditation always religious bigotory? Answer Inside!

Recent example of somebody lying in about Zen in this forum:

Foyan: If you do not see the ease, then sit for a while and examine the principle.

The poster has a history of misrepresentings Zen teachings, and claimed that "sit for a while" was an explicit reference to a sitting meditation technique from the zen tradition... But they could not provide any examples of any Zen master ever teaching any specific method, enlightened from any specific method, or transmissing any specific method.

Remember Foyan also said very explicitly:

Foyan: (All of you go sit on benches, close your eyes, and demolish your thinking all the way from the Milky Way above to Hades below before you can make a statement or two. But when you get to a quiet place, you still don't get the ultimate point... Lightly questioned, you cannot reach the aim.)[www.reddit.com/r/Zen/wiki/notmeditation]

So what was the motivation of the poster? It turns out we don't get to ask because, as Foyan predicted, they fall apart when lightly questioned and never rise to the level of Zen Masters doing public AMAs and demanding public AMAs from every Zen student.

But if we look carefully at the historical records of the Zen lineage, it becomes very clear who is advocating for meditation methods as a way of obtaining liberation... In fact, it's a group with a long history of animosity and violence towards Zen:

Just be natural in accordance with our mind, do not engage in the practice of insight and do not stop your mind['s] activities.

And from the translators footnote:

These practices are described in the works of early Buddhism... these traditional practices are criticized and rejected since according to the Zen school - they inhibit a direct insight into one's original nature.

That's Patriarch's Hall from 900.

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The math says people who claim that zen involves meditation are actually from the Buddhist faith and are advocating that faith in an act of religious bigotry.

Submitted May 13, 2023 at 03:46PM by ewk https://ift.tt/m5xXF9G