This is Xuedou's instruction on the Case with Yuanwu's interjections...
Xuedou said, "Leaving aside for the moment Jingshan's being confused, if it were presented to the National Teacher, what other skill would he exercise to avoid being confused?
- Yuanwu: (The staff hasn't broken yet- everyone in the world should get a beating.)
Some veterans say they'd have sat down and rested at that time.
- Yuanwu: (This is making south into north.)
And some say they'd just draw a line through it.
- Yuanwu: (All the more irrelevant.)
If so, this is just shamelessness.
- Yuanwu: (Everyone's laughing at you.)
I dare say the old teachers all over the land each have adamantine eyes and extensively exercise spiritual powers and manifestations, but can they avoid confusion?
- Yuanwu: (Then there are no veterans after this.)
My view I want you all to know.
- Yuanwu: (Observe Xuedou's failure.)
This Master Ma, at that time when he drew the circle, was already confused himself."
- Yuanwu: (How about Xuedou-in making such an explanation, can he avoid confusion?)
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Yo͞ok Welcome! Meet me My comment: What we see here is repeated rejections of religious beliefs and religious faith... "but can they avoid confusion?"
That's just another way of asking, Can they AMA?
We have lots of people in the forum who claim "Zen is from Mahayana Sutras" and "Zen meditation is about awareness" and "the mods are secular monsters"... but this is all just religious bias that can't escape from confusion... and we know because these people can never AMA.
What does it mean that "Ma was confused"?
If you can't answer, don't try to teach.
Submitted March 19, 2023 at 07:37AM by ewk https://ift.tt/37xcruF
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