As many of us are aware, the Ch'an part of the Ch'an School comes from dhyana, meditation, or concentration.
The sanskrit word for concentration is samadhi.
I think Ch'an might have some root in it therefore, including the Mahayana and non-Mahayana named samadhis/concentrations.
I started thinking about it when I translated that the monks were in meditation/concentration in the lecture hall:
https://old.reddit.com/r/zen/comments/sy6zqz/xutang_28_perfectly_imperfect/
Hoffman completely glossed over meditation.
Here's my translation:
舉。長慶一日陞堂。眾集定。
On one occasion, Chángqìng went up to the dharma hall where there were numerous monks gathered in meditation.
My scope:
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Sometimes it seems easy to take instructions and start saying that "look here, this is the only way." No. This is a historic investigation into the concentrations.
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I have no objections that Dhyana can be practiced seated as much as it can be practiced "standing, walking, sitting, eating, talking, etc, etc, etc"
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I have no objections to the scope of the concentrations appropriate to their categories: Anything that Ch'an masters discuss is on topic. Anything that others in Buddhism and Buddha talks about can get earmarked for cross referencing.
Purpose:
- Historic record
- As fun things to grok
- Connecting to tradition
Examples of applications to purpose:
- wikis
- records
- chitty-chat
- practice
- yelling-at-me-over-the-internet-because-you-think-this-is-dumb
My charge:
If anyone knows anything about
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The Big "D": Dhyana-- of which the school is named. (I think ZM's talk alot about this-- my specific charge here would be to really hone in and see if you can quote ZM's 3 times to make your own little hypothesis about dhyana)
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Evidence/Counter-evidence Dhyana is linked to Samadhi
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Evidence/Counter-evidence there are subsets of dhyana, or that dhyana is a category, etc
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Evidence/Counter-evidence of other concentrations that Ch'an Masters talk about
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A list of named (Priority:Chinese/Sanskrit/English) Samadhis in Buddhism (Gautama)
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A list of named (Priority:Chinese/Sanskrit/English) Samadhis in Mahayana Buddhism (Shakyamuni)
Please specify between 5 and 6. Remember, they are cross referencing names only. We can take them and search them in the CBETA. The point is not to open 5 & 6 up to open religious speculation and bible thumping.
If we're going to talk in length about concentrations in /r/zen they should have someone in the zen linage talk about them.
For this once, just the names are okay though, even without English-translated ZM quotes.
Submitted March 09, 2022 at 07:55PM by eschox https://ift.tt/PGrRQ6D
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