Lung Ya teachings, question mark.

As Yuanwu comments along the 30'th first case in the BCR by Cleary - Ma Ku carrying his Ring-Staff - the following mention is made:

Lung Ya said to his community, "Those people who penetrate the study must pass beyond Buddhas and Patriarchs."

This is pretty clear.

At that time there was a monk who asked, "Do the Patriarchs and the Buddhas have any intention to deceive people or not?" Lung Ya said, "Tell me, do rivers and lakes have any intention to obstruct people or not?" He went on to say, "Although rivers and lakes have no intention to obstruct people, it is just that people now can't cross them. Therefore, rivers and lakes after all become barriers to people. You cannot say that rivers and lakes do not obstruct people. Although the Patriarchs and the Buddhas have no intention to deceive people, it's just that people now cannot pass beyond them. So Patriarchs and Buddhas afterall deceive people. Again you cannot say that Patriarchs and Buddhas do not deceive people. If one can pass beyond the Patriarchs and Buddhas, this person surpasses the Patriarchs and Buddhas

Anyway, the monk went on to ask how to avoid being deceived by the P&B and Lung Ya told him - by becoming Enlightened yourself.

OP: Here is the question. As a reminder, Lung Ya is the same one as in - Lung Ya's Meaning of Coming from the West - case in which he gets smacked by Ts'ui-wei and Linji because he said there was no meaning for the coming from the west and Hsueh-tou described him as "a blind dragon for whom neither seer nor seen exists." He is was also described as not being able to grasp Linji's Zen even in his dreams.

In the - Ring-Staff case he is set as reference while in the - Meaning for Coming from the West case he is set as a fool by comparison.

Did he fit in his place naturally by the way he answered to both ZM's ? Or was that genuine misconception from his part? The man clearly made sense generally speaking ...

Submitted May 02, 2020 at 04:11PM by robeewankenobee https://ift.tt/3aXayZg