Personally I left home at 17. Broke, homeless, whatever, a long time ago. Eventually I went to college, got a job, but it took some effort, though I was lucky that before I had left home I had some basic skills.
So, its not like I see no place for effort, accomplishment, skill. In the Tang period, the people who hung out with Mazu, Nansen, etc. most often had already attained some discipline, they were not the youngest of monks dropped off by their parents for religious merit at a religious institution.
If a person doesn't have some kind of experience with some form of discipline, I can't personally see how they would find any traction in what the zen characters were pointing at.
But the "traction" in zen is not a doing, its not a non-doing. It comes from seeing. Doers and non-doers are too wrapped up in a drama to see. Zen waking up happens when you get spun out of the old dramas.
If you add effort, there is a sport to it, a competitiveness, a result, maybe even some status. Its complicated what motivates the lovers of institutions. Look for the carrot and the stick, its always there.
Its hard to tell them (attainers, seekers, competitors, doers) this without them thinking you are an unfriendly umpire. Yeah, they are in way deep over their heads.
https://www.reddit.com/r/zen/comments/87fh2d/bankeis_travelers/dwcux1b/?context=3
Take another look at the post. Bankei was pointing the way, for all who could see. The post: https://www.reddit.com/r/zen/comments/87fh2d/bankeis_travelers/
Submitted March 27, 2018 at 07:21PM by rockytimber https://ift.tt/2DYC08F
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